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08:23 p.m. 28/09/2010 09:40 a.m. 09/12/2010


The List of Content :

1.- Dinosaurs....................................................By Bob Davenport
2.- The Nazis and the Flying discs....................By TheDirector Mr. Shafer.
3.- The change of Historic facts.........................By LiebeGundlich
4.- Deep Impact’ proven Sitchin’s Theory?.......ByDirector Shafer.
5.- Creationism being taught in schools............By NatalicioInfante.

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1.- Dinosaurs............... By Bob Davenport

Torosaurus actually just old Triceratops
Triceratops and its cousin Torosaurus are not hard to tell apart.Both horned dinosaurs had a giant bony frill that rose up behindthe head, but Torosaurus’ frill was much longer and wasadorned with giant holes that were covered by a thin layer ofprotein called keratin. Yet Triceratops and Torosaurus may havebeen more alike than scientists realized: New research suggeststhat the two animals were actually the same species, withTorosaurus being the adult version of Triceratops.
Triceratops had a shorter frill than Torosaurus .
Triceratops did not have holes in its frill.
Torosaurus had giant holes in its frill. When the animal wasalive, the holes were covered in a thin layer of keratin.
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 GenericIt’s not unprecedented forscientists to determine that what were previously classified asdistinct dinosaurs were actually just different life stages ofthe same species. In the 1970s, Peter Dodson, a paleontologist atthe University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, demonstrated thiswith duck-billed dinosaurs. Last year, paleontologists JackHorner of Montana State University in Bozeman and Mark Goodwin ofthe University of California at Berkeley reported in PLoS ONEthat two genera of dome-headed dinosaurs — Dracorex andStygimoloch — were really just young members ofPachycephalosaurus.
Such misclassifications have happened because scientistshaven’t always considered growth patterns and developmentwhen assessing dinosaurs, so it’s likely there are many morecases of mistaken identity out there, says John Scannella, adoctoral student at Montana State University and co-author of thenew study, published in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology.
About 20 years ago, paleontologists John Ostrom of YaleUniversity in New Haven, Conn., and Peter Wellnhofer of theBavarian State Collection for Paleontology and Geology in Munich,Germany, first suggested Triceratops and Torosaurus might bemembers of the same species, Scannella says, with Torosaurus, thelarger animal, actually being a male Triceratops and the smallerTriceratops being females. But no one had studied thatpossibility until now. Although Scannella and Horner, hisadvisor, agreed that these dinosaurs might be the same species,they thought the differences between Triceratops and Torosauruswere more likely the result of age than sex.
Over the past couple of years, Scannella and Horner traveled tomuseums across the country to examine more than a hundredTriceratops and Torosaurus specimens. They grouped theTriceratops skulls in their sample into different life stagesbased on certain features that scientists had previouslydetermined changed as the animal got older. For example, thehorns of a young Triceratops pointed backward; as the animalmatured, its horns started to face forward. In looking atdifferences between the age groups, Scannella and Horner foundthat as a Triceratops aged, its frill elongated (approaching thelength of Torosaurus) and the bone thinned out —specifically, the bone got thinner in the precise areas whereTorosaurus had its holes. By studying the Torosaurus skulls, theyalso learned that Torosaurus had all the known signs of a matureTriceratops, such as forward-facing horns.
They further tested their idea by looking at the bones’microstructure under the microscope. Older individuals have morebone remodeling, in which older bone is replaced with new bone,so older bone looks different than younger bone. The pair cutsamples from the horns of several Triceratops and Torosaurusspecimens, and noticed the Torosaurus skulls had more boneremodeling than the most mature Triceratops samples, indicating amore advanced age for the Torosaurus specimens. All of thisevidence points to Torosaurus being an adult Triceratops,Scannella says.
If this is true, then it means Triceratops didn’t gain someof its adult traits — the longer frill and holes —until very late in development, as none of the largest (andpresumably oldest) Triceratops possess the defining traits ofTorosaurus. Such late blooming is not unheard of in the animalkingdom, Scannella says. An adult cassowary, for example, has alarge bony crest on its head that develops suddenly at the end ofthe bird’s adolescence, he says.
“It’s a very creative hypothesis and they’ve gotinteresting data in support of it,” Dodson says. “Ijust have a hard time swallowing that the transformation would bethat great.” He also points out that the fusion of sutureson Triceratops skulls suggest that some of the largest-knownTriceratops were indeed fully grown, because such suturesdon’t fuse until later in life in animals.
Andrew Farke, curator of paleontology at the Raymond M. AlfMuseum of Paleontology in Claremont, Calif., also finds it hardto believe that Triceratops and Torosaurus were the same animal.One problem with the idea, he says, relates to thedinosaurs’ epoccipitals, projections of bone that line theedges of the animals’ frills. All species of horneddinosaurs had epoccipitals and the number stayed the samethroughout an animal’s life. Triceratops had many moreepoccipitals than Torosaurus, he says, so the new hypothesiswould imply that as a Triceratops grew up, it lost some of itsepoccipitals — that would be “unprecedented” amonghorned dinosaurs.
Still, Farke says, several characteristics of Triceratops areunusual compared to other horned dinosaurs, so anything’spossible. He says he’s not “unconvincible,” butneeds to see much more data before he would be sold on the idea.
One valuable piece of data would be the discovery of a skull thatexhibits transitional features between Triceratops andTorosaurus, says Michael Ryan, curator of vertebrate paleontologyat the Cleveland Museum of Natural History in Ohio. That wouldmake Horner and Scannella’s case even stronger, he says.“I think [they’re] probably correct … but we needmore data.”

If Torosaurus and Triceratops are the same species, then thesignificance of the change goes beyond the need to updatetextbooks and museum exhibits, Scannella says. In recent years,in part due to the number of dinosaur species that have beenconsolidated because of misclassifications, paleontologists havenoticed that dinosaur diversity started to decline during theLate Cretaceous, just prior to the asteroid impact 65.5 millionyears ago that killed off the dinosaurs. This work providesfurther evidence of that decline, Scannella says, and forcesscientists to consider what caused dinosaurs to dwindle at thistime.

It also changes the way scientists view dinosaur ecology,Scannella adds. If an area was once home to several species ofvery closely related animals, then scientists need to think abouthow the animals could have co-existed, in terms of sharingavailable food resources, for example. But if similar dinosaurspecies turn out instead to be babies, teenagers and adults ofthe same species, then the kinds of ecological questionsscientists ask will be different, he says.

Finally, the work reminds us that paleontologists are far fromknowing all there is to know about even the most iconicdinosaurs, Scannella says. “Even a dinosaur likeTriceratops, which we’ve known about for 120 years, stillhas surprises in store for us and a lot to teach us about thehistory

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2.- The Nazisand the Flying discs.......By The Director Mr. Shafer.

The Nazis never had a success with their Flying Disc.
Hitler had been predicted that the secret of the Flying Disc,which had in ancient times always been seen with the sign of theSwastika on it, would be found on his birthday, April 20.

He was also told that it would come from a small Town in Holland,called DE GRAAFF.

When Hitler came to power, that small place was overrun by GermanTourists, that wanted to talk to all the intellectuals, looked inall the papers at City Hall and the Parish.
They did not find anything.
Finally the Engineers in Germany, who were supposed to build thevehicle, thought that it might be the VANDEGRAAFF Generator,invented in the USA.
Vandegraaff thought that he had discovered how gravity controlwould work. Put the sphere on the ground, charge it upto 5million volts positive, the ground would also become five millionvolt positive an positive repels positive, ergo, lift-off.
The German Engineers worked on it from 1933 till 1937 withoutsuccess. In 1937 they changed to magnetics. They had a weightreduction of twenty five pounds.
The day before Hitler invaded Russia, they had reached 120pounds.
The trouble was, the craft weighed two tons.
Hitler scrapped the program and went in with the rockets.
On April 20, 1967 (yes, Hitler’s Birthday), I found thetechnology of the Flying Saucer.
It is a Monpole HV Generator(These big spheres underneath aFlying Saucer).
I offered the invention to my adopted Country Canada as aBirthday Present but it was ridiculed and rejected. Finally Iapplied for a Patent in the USA first.
One of the two witnesses, required to sign that they understandit, was the Chief Engineer of Philco/Ford in Toronto.
When I explained it he said: ” My GOd, you found it!”Then he slapped himself on the forehead and said: “My God,why did I not think about that!”
THen he told me that he had worked from 1937 till 1941 onHitler’s Flying Disc, without success.
I was born in the town of DE GRAAFF (now called Grave, that isHIGH DUTCH).
On my sixth birthday there was a big party, as I was the firstgrandson.
After reading one of my Birthday Presents, a Book called:“INVENTORS OF OUR TIME” I announced that I was going tobe an inventor too.
I told the family, that I was going to invent Gravity controlwhen I was BIG.
Great Hilarity.
When I was 12, my mother asked me if I ever thought about it.
I said: “Yes, and when I find it, it will be something sosimple that a High School Boy could have invented it!”
Yes, it is a practical solution of Faraday’s theoreticalproblem.
I got it even as a problem on my Final Exam, Physics, on my DutchHigh School many years ago.
The problem:
Two metal concentric spheres do not touch and form a capacitor C.This one is charged up to a potential V.
Then the outside sphere is removed.
The remaining shere is a 1-terminal Capacitor c.
The potential on this capacitor is momentarily C/c x V.
I found that I would not need spheres to get the effect.
I used a glass tube, filled with argon.
I wrapped aluminum foil on the outside to one inch from each end.
When I “fired” the tube I had a 2-terminal Capacitor. Icharged it up to 6000 Volts. When I let the (Momentary On)switches go, the following happened all at the same time :
I got the mother of all pokes and almost broke my arm when myelbow hit a wooden beam in my basement workshop.
The lights went out.
A big explosion was heard outside.
Outside, the big Power Transformer on a pole was in flames.
Ontario Hydro replaced it forthwith and blamed a squirrel who wasfound, well- cooked in the ruins. (Thank you Lord!)
Measuring the output in a makeshift Faraday Cage, I found I hadgenerated more than 150,000 volts.
A later experiment, using three tubes, attracted a lightningstrike out of the clear sky. (500,000 Volts!)
In those spheres of a Flying Saucer, there are a number of thesetubes with the metal covering connected to the sphere.
As inside a conductor no charge can exist it goes to the outsideand the sphere becomes the 1-terminal capacitor.
My US Patent Lawyer, Mr. Farkas phoned me: “I shouldimmediatedly inform the Canadian and US Governments of this, itwould probably be the greatest single invention he would handlein his lifetime and it could quite well be the Nobel Prize forme!”
He told me that he had talked to Dr. Kahn of the HudsonInstitute, who told him that a study had evaluated it at $600Billion, if the US would have it before Russia. (US Patent4,095,162)
The US Governemnt asked me to delay it, as one application I hadfound was that of an inexpensive ING and the AEC had first call.
In 1980 I sugggested it to Nasa. They asked me to send a copy ofthe patent to the Propulsion Lab in Cleveland, Ohio.
I did, advising them to contact me before experimenting as someside effects might occur.
A letter came back: “Not interested, thank you for the copyof your patent!”
Yes, who would need them, if we could fly to the Moon in an hour?
After the Space Disasters they decided to experiment with it, didnot ask me for advice and blew their own big Power TransformerStation to Kingdom Come and blamed the massive black-out in 2004on a poor, innocent little tree.
Since then Nasa has gone into the “Rockets forever andever” swing.
I did not write everything in the patent.
A Flying Saucer takes power right out of the aether, like Tesla(probably) did for his Pierce Arrow Car in 1931.
So now I am working (I did not get the Nobel Prize) slowly on adevice to tap power out of the aether for cars and homes.
Units will be instaled by electricians and LEASED, give theinvestors and Taxman their due.

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3.- The change of History facts.........................By LiebeGundlich

Of recent date, there are so many informations presentingalternative history facts that you must smile of it all.
It serves to be amused, but I really doubt the real history wasnot much of a lot of lies.
New research done by American scientists on the purported remainsof Adolph Hitler found outside of his Berlin bunker areconfirming “deep” Soviet KGB-GRU files that have alwaysstated that the German Nazi leader instead of having committedsuicide with his wife, Eva Braun, both were “secreted”to the United States along with top Nazi scientists in exchangefor the Americans receiving Germany’s newly completed atomicbomb.

According to new reports, American archaeologist and bonespecialist researcher Nick Bellantoni was allowed by Russia toconduct modern forensic tests on the skull fragment said to havebelonged to Hitler and pierced by a bullet-hole said to haveended his life. Upon Bellantoni’s testing of this skullfragment at the University of Connecticut however it was found tohave belonged to “a woman under 40 and not Hitler”, whowas 56 when he supposedly died.

Soviet era files complied by both the KGB and GRU on the lastdays of Hitler’s rule over Germany state that during thelast days of the Battle of Berlin (one of the bloodiest battlesin all of human history and the final major offensive of theEuropean Theatre of World War II), Hitler, his wife Eva Braun,and selected members of his personal staff were secreted out ofBerlin in early April, 1945 to meet with US General George Pattonwhere a secret armistice was signed between the Nazi Germans andthe United States granting “total amnesty” for Hitler,his entourage, and top German scientists in exchange for theAmericans receiving from the Nazis their just completed atomicbomb, V-2 rocket [photo 3rd left] and jet aircraft technology.

The American President, Franklin Roosevelt, upon his hearing ofthis secret armistice was reported to have become enraged andthreatened to force the resignations of all of his top militarycommanders, but was prevented from doing so by his assassinationby Nazi agents on April 12, 1945 by order of US General DwightEisenhower who feared the complete decimation of his troopsshould Hitler carry out his threat to us the Nazi atomic bombagainst allied forces.

Upon Roosevelt’s death he was succeeded to the US Presidencyby Harry Truman who “immediately” approved the secretarmistice and authorized General Patton and US Army Air ForcesLieutenant General Jimmy Doolittle to “evacuate andaccompany” Hitler and his entourage from Germany in lateMay, 1945, to one of their most secret bases located in Roswell,New Mexico, named Walker Air Force Base, and one of the largestGerman prisoner of war camps in the United States where the Nazileader was held until the Americans were able to assure the Nazileader fulfilled the terms of the armistice he had signed.

After General’s Patton and Doolittle “delivered”Hitler and his entourage to Walker Air Force Base they made arare joint appearance in Los Angeles where they were cheered by acrowd estimated to be over 100,000 and where Patton was reportedto have said, “We now have the power of God in ourgrasp”.

Truman echoed Patton’s sentiment about his countries gainingof Germany’s atomic bomb by writing in his diary “Wehave discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of theworld. It may be the fire destruction prophesied in the EuphratesValley Era, after Noah and his fabulous Ark” and wasted notime in deploying them when on August 6th and 9th of 1945 heordered them dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima andNagasaki.

General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union'sCentral Committee, Joseph Stalin, upon his hearing of the secretarmistice signed between Hitler and the US, confronted Truman atthe post-war Potsdam Conference whereupon the American President“assured” the Soviet leader that the Americans would“share” Nazi Germany’s technology with theRussians in exchange for their, the Russians, declaring war onJapan, which they did on August 8, 1945, two days after theatomic bombing of Hiroshima.

Truman further promised Stalin that the Americans had “noobjections” to Soviet Russia putting all of Eastern Europeunder their “sphere of influence” in exchange forStalin keeping from his people the secrete armistice and whichbecame known as the Iron Curtain.

General Patton, these reports continue, was so“vehemently” against what he called “Truman’sselling out to the Commies” he began preparing his troopsfor an assault upon Soviet forces in occupied Germany but wasnever able to carry out his plans after Truman ordered hisassassination in December, 1945.

With Roosevelt and Patton dead, and Stalin “contained”,the US Office of Strategic Services, Joint IntelligenceObjectives Agency (OSS) (JIOA) were ordered by Truman to beginfulfilling the Americans commitments made to Hitler in the secretarmistice by launching Operation Paperclip which secreted intothe United States most of the highest level Nazi leadership andscientific establishment, including what is, without doubt, oneof the most important scientists of his time, Wernher MagnusMaximilian Freiherr von Braun [photo 4th left with high Nazicommand officials] and “father” of Nazi Germany’satomic bomb and V-2 rocket technology.

By early 1946, and with the United States “satisfied”that all of the agreements contained in the secret armistice withNazi Germany were fulfilled, Truman ordered the repatriation ofHitler and his entourage, to their “New Berlin” on thecontinent of Antarctica, and which German Navy Grand Admiral KarlD�nitz talked about in 1943 by saying, “The Germansubmarine fleet is proud of having built for the F�hrer inanother part of the world a Shangri-La on land, an impregnablefortress.”

In 1947, however, Truman became “deeply disturbed” overreports coming from “New Berlin” that Hitler and hisNazi forces were not only reconstituting their military might,but were also “working in league” with “ancientforces beyond our present understanding” and ordered an“immediate attack” upon the Nazis Antarctica“Shangri-La fortress”.

And so began the most mysterious battle of the 1940’s,including all of those fought in World War II, when US NavyAdmiral Richard E. Byrd led an estimated 4,000 military troopsfrom the US, Britain and Australia in an invasion of NaziGermany’s Antarctica “New Berlin” called“Operation Highjump”, but which resulted in a crushingdefeat of these forces at the hands of “new” Nazitechnology, especially their V-7 “flying saucer”aircraft that Byrd was quoted as warning “could flypole-to-pole at incredible speeds”.

Important to note that Admiral Byrd was deliberately chosen byTruman and America’s top Military leadership to undertakeOperation Highjump due to his extensive knowledge of the“mysteries” hiding inside our Earth, and which we canglimpse from his log entries during his February 19, 1947 flightover the northern most reaches of our Earth:

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range andstill proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyondthe mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a smallriver or stream running through the center portion. There shouldbe no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong andabnormal here! We should be over ice and snow! To the portsideare great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigationinstruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating backand forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharpleft turn to better examine the valley below. It is green witheither moss or a type of tight knit grass. The light here seemsdifferent. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another leftturn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kindbelow us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more likea mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decreasealtitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine theanimal. It is confirmed -it is definitely a mammoth-like animal!Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. Theexternal temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit!Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normalnow. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact basecamp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I mayuse that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This isimpossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controlsrefuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and starboard wingsare a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidlyalongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality tothem. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. Itis a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! Whathas happened. I tug at the controls again. They will notrespond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through inEnglish with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent!The message is: 'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall landyou in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in goodhands.' I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! Theaircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself.The controls are useless.

After Admiral Boyd’s crushing defeat by the Nazis fortifiedin their “New Berlin”, Hitler then ordered aretaliatory strike upon the United States and targeting his“former home away from” in Roswell, New Mexico, WalkerAir Force Base, and which has become to known as the“Roswell Incident” after two of the Nazi Germany V-7“saucer craft” were fired upon and downed by US ArmyAir Forces.

Since those titanic events in 1947 there has remained an“uneasy” truce between “New Berlin” and thecurrent powers of the World but which Russian leaders, includingPutin and Medvedev, know all to well are about to break into openwarfare as the “new” Third Reich gains Globalsupremacy, once again, this time through its present vassalstate, the United States of America.

The last American leader who set out to destroy this diabolicalcabal between Nazi Germany and the United States was their firstSecretary of Defense, James Vincent Forrestal, who upon hislearning of the whole truth, and threatening to divulge it hisfellow Americans, was summarily dismissed from his office byTruman on March 28, 1949, forced into Bethesda Naval Hospital,and then “suicided” as a “warning” to anyothers seeking to follow him on May 22nd.

To the current actions of “New Berlin” against ourWorld we can see from Iranian reports where this past week one oftheir “saucer craft” were downed by Iranian forces, andas we can read as reported by Iran’s official news service:

“Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has targetedand downed an unidentified shining object after sighting it overPersian Gulf waters.

“Glowing objects were sighted over the Persian Gulf. IRGCair defense targeted one of the objects successfully, forcing itto plummet and sink in the seas off Boushehr (Province),”said top regional commander, Brigadier Ali Razmjou.

“The three bright objects were detected by our radars whenflying over the Persian Gulf Islands of Khark and Khargou,"he added, according to a Monday report posted on IRNA.”

For their downing of one of these Nazi “saucer crafts”,Iran, of course, drew the immediate ire of the Americans whosePresident Obama then announced the “discovery” of asecret Iranian nuclear facility that, in fact, Iran had reportedexactly as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty there aresignatories to over18-months ago to the United Nations.

Important also to note about the Iranian downing of one of theseNazi “saucer crafts” is that their destination wasAfghanistan, which besides the two poles of our Planet has theonly other “entrance” to the “Inner Earth”and which is revered by the Nazis and their followers as thebirth place of their Aryan (The word Aryan comes from theSanskrit arya meaning dignified person or of noble birth)“master race” who they believe by right should rule ourWorld and all of its peoples.

It goes without our saying that the reporting of these truethings will be met with much derision and mocking by those whomhave lived their lives surrounded by lies of not only their ownhistory, but the much more important history of the ancients, andwho if listened to now can, indeed, protect them from the manyhorrors to come.

One can clearly see that these peoples of today, and just asprophesized, if taken back in time, would also mock and deridethe ancient Father Noah, who when “all was well” and“the skies clear” built for the protection of all whowould listen protection from the Global flood to come.
The past is a gift or present upon which the present and possiblefutures fold and unfold and to ignore the past is looking aGift-horse in the mouth and does little to expand the body ofknowledge and clarity of thesis.
The "Die Glocke" or Bell device(s) - what do we know?What can be established as fact? What can be reasonablyspeculated upon as to it's manifest origins of inspiration,conceptual framework, design, engineering, manufacture,experimentation, production, testing, development, purpose and/orpurposes given the two pre-cursor questions?

If a reasonable case can be made for it's existence in any formno matter how slight in that era then it certainly begs theobvious question; What was it's future relative to what may ormay not have "disappeared" or gone culturally"Black"?

With the recent research that's been forwarded suggesting apotential link between the December 9 1965 Kecksburg Pennsylvania4:45PM event and the "Die Glocke" bell device orperhaps it's derivative incarnation in some form it could makethe possibility of not yet considered possibilities morepossible.

The UFO Hunters 2009 TV broadcast about nazi UFOs on The HistoryChannel brought this potential link or links to my attention in away I previously had definitely not to that point considered.Thank you to the UFO Hunters team - high fives all-round. Perhapsthe opportunity will come along to repay the favor. YouTube linkswill follow at the end of this post for those who have aninterest but can't get the TV broadcast

Ask who, what, when, where, why and how - lather, document,repeat and rinse until truly satisfied. LOL.

I will choose to assume that readers of this UFO Magazine forumwill already have familiarized themselves with at least somebackground on "Die Glocke" or Bell device andacknowledge the assumption that such a device existed at somepoint in that era's history.

First contribution. Where to start? Bells. Did Germany have bellsof any type that had symbolic depictions around the bell rim?

Bells and their shape, manufacture, construction and physicalproperties have long held symbolic and cultural meanings and thiswas no different in Germany.

"Die Glocke" was said to have symbols depicted on it'slower rim in most if not by all accounts I've come across. Wasthere any precedence for these depictions that might suggest agenesis of tradition if not in fact the requirement that"Die Glocke" devices would remain true to this formatand depiction history? Something where one can point and say"this is a bell in Germany during that era."

The 1936 Olympic Bell has quite a history - it's Gothic writingsand depictions would lend some weight to the fact that Germanyhad bells and that there was writing depicted on it and that itwas important culturally. A photo seems appropriate and this isjust one of many available on the internet.



There is some evidence to the effect that which is depicted inthe above photo was supposed to be a Gothic text and perhaps fontbut I do not entirely recognize some of the characters. I found areference on the internet in Google Books that seems a reasonableaccount of what is written.

"The most celebrated detail of the bell came to be that bandof Gothic script around the sound bow that declared the XIthOlympiad would be in Berlin and, set forth the cheeky legend"Ich rufe die jurgend der Welt", which the Nazis intheir publicity releases of 1935 (just as the American movementfor a boycott was becoming well noted) translated as "Isummon the youth of the World."

Beyond the quote the same reference also has a bit more of thesignificant historical implications that this specific Germanbell connotes and denotes in the tension of the era, it's aboutthree pages (pp 125, 4 through pp 128, 2) and was personallyworth the reading. A link to the Google books page about"The Nazi Olympics By Richard D. Mandell", published byUniversity of Illinois Press, 1987, ISBN 0252013255,9780252013256, 316 pages.

Perhaps another forum member knows and or recognizes the font - Ilook and I do not see "Ich rufe die jurgend der Welt"written but I am not a linguist but I'm always willing to learn.

It would seem reasonable in light of the above photo that bellswith writing on them existed in Germany at that time and suggeststhat writing said to be on "Die Glocke" may beimportant in understanding the cultural nature of themanufacturers if not the specific message or information written.

It would also seem reasonable that whatever may have beendepicted on "Die Glocke" is significant enough for themanufacturers to have been included in the design at an earlystage.

I'll speculate that it was a statement of purpose or a missionstatement about the device and that whatever it was saying inwhatever form had symbolic meaning beyond the strictfunctionality of the device.

Much thought has been given by others over the years to those whochanneled as mediums for the various secret societies of Germanyand to assume that the depictions were truly meant to be read bythose who'd be able to read it says something of it's exclusivityif not secrecy of meaning. For those with a positive interestI'll include a link to an Austrian-produced hour-long GoogleVideo "2007 - UFO - Secrets Of The Third Reich - RoyalAtlantis Film GmbH" at the end of this post (thoroughlyenjoyable). This 57 minute long video speaks of the trans-medialchannel-people and claims that the mediums such as Maria Orsitsch(Orsic) amongst others wrote from altered perceptual states inthe Sumerian alphabet and secret scripting codes of The KnightsTemplar, Thule, Vril and "other".

Did you ever wonder where, besides South America, Russia, TheUnited States and perhaps Antarctica other high-value Germanscientific personnel related to "Die Glocke" and otherprojects may have found themselves during the Cold-War? I did.

Where would the best/easiest-possible Earthly mathematical,geographic, geomagnetic, geopolitical, geologically stable andgeometrically advantageous location be for testing a device withthe purported phenomenal and not-well-understood, possiblyhazardous field properties of "Die Glocke" - a sitewith the most resources, safety and plausible-deniability"cover" to continue covert development whilst refiningand testing such devices and their derivatives? Where?

Where might the mathematics "naturally push" as abest-spot, during the age of analog electro-mechanicalinstrumentation; before the onboard digital avionics computerage, such a device to be further developed beyond a nascent"we're not sure how to control it" understanding? ThePoles? The Equator? What hemisphere? At what most convenientdegree of latitude? What meridian of longitude is the Kecksburgevent site? I wonder what facilities might have been between theKecksburg site and the North Pole as the crow flies at that time?Where?

"There is geometry in the humming of the strings, there ismusic in the spacing of the spheres.", Pythagoras

I wonder who may have owned that particular"get-your-hands-dirty" facility - especially if thatheavy-duty, nicely equipped and secure relatively remote facilitywas already run by a company known to have several designs ofsaucer-inspired craft and a history of "SpecialProjects", and whose chief designer had a classified andturbulent relationship with the U.S. military and anotherfriendly, neighborly, co-operative sovereign nation (deepbreath), who also had a keen interest in UFO and could have beenprivy to "Die Glocke" technology amongst other lessadvanced and perhaps intentionally unsuccessful propulsiontechniques through interviews with German scientists in manyfields? Who? Who leads to where sometimes - I hope.


The "Glocke" is a subject that can only be speculatedat as the scientists who worked on it were executed as the Alliesapproached the area. I also think the episode on UFO Huntersshowed the structure to be a frame of a water tower, and that isa good find. It may not be what people want to hear or believe,but it is the most probable answer.

One of the reasons I do not think the Kecksburg "acorn"craft/probe is a Bell type experiment is that it would of hadmarkings on it from the US Government to identify it. That is notthe case according to the witnesses. Project Moon Dust wasactivated to retrieve this item, according to Major KevinRandle's research. Project Moon Dust is not activated forsomething that is ours.

I also do not think the Glocke was a flying craft, but anexperiment that dealt in space and time. From what has beengathered, it was a very dangerous experiment that dealt with highvoltages of electricity killing a few of the scientists and otherworkers. Since we are not speaking German, it can be safe tostate that no time travel was accomplished. They may have beenable to view past events, such as the ancient Roman times orpossibly seen the time of the dinosaurs. Again, speculation, butfun to do.

While the experiments and the ideas of the Nazis are fascinating,the vast majority of them did not get past the drawing board. Thefunding for the projects was not there, and the Nazis tended tospread the wealth which created much more failure than success.The expense of the war was a high cost not only in monetaryterms, but mainly in people. The Allies cut off much of thesupplies to the Nazis, and there were many multiples of freedomfighters making sure the Nazis did not plunder too much from thelands they occupied.

This is a fascinating subject, but can only be speculated at asthere is very little documentation left on what the Glocke reallywas.

"The "Glocke" is a subject that can only bespeculated at as the scientists who worked on it were executed asthe Allies approached the area."

I agree that as many as sixty "get-their-hands-dirty"scientists and technicians were murdered by the SS.

I also think the episode on UFO Hunters showed the structure tobe a frame of a water tower, and that is a good find. It may notbe what people want to hear or believe, but it is the mostprobable answer.

I agree that the Fly Trap may indeed may have had a waterreservoir on it's superior surface, however research by others(that I intend to cite in a later post) does make note of asignificant conduit that leads to the center of the Fly Trap.British aerial reconnaissance from the 1941 - 1942 time-framemight clarify the existence of such a reservoir and reveal moreabout any potential role the "Henge" may have or maynot have played in testing the Bell or other devices.

One of the reasons I do not think the Kecksburg "acorn"craft/probe is a Bell type experiment is that it would of hadmarkings on it from the US Government to identify it.

Markings of any known agency would certainly have been mentionedby claimed witnesses Rosanski, Bulebush or perhaps Blystone andcertainly would have risked overt disclosure of that which mayhave been understandably an unacknowledged program if such aprogram existed or exists at all.

"Project Moon Dust was activated to retrieve this item,according to Major Kevin Randle's research. Project Moon Dust isnot activated for something that is ours."

Yes, the Moon Dust personnel were certainly"Johnny-on-the-Spot" and on short notice too. Perhapsthey were given a little advance warning something was headedtheir way so to speak. I will have more to add on this in asubsequent post at some point.

I also do not think the Glocke was a flying craft, but anexperiment that dealt in space and time.

I agree that "Die Glocke" was not a device built withconventional flight in mind and I also agree with you that it mayhave had some effects in 4-space.

From what has been gathered, it was a very dangerous experimentthat dealt with high voltages of electricity killing a few of thescientists and other workers.

I concur entirely about the presence of danger and thank you forpointing out the high-voltage nature as I will refer to thatnecessity at least a few times on this particular thread. Somecontend "Die Glocke" had componentry that may havereleased ionizing radiation amongst it's other local effects andI find this of genuine interest.

Since we are not speaking German, it can be safe to state that notime travel was accomplished.

I tend to agree with you kidflash2008 - at least to this point inmy research.

They may have been able to view past events, such as the ancientRoman times or possibly seen the time of the dinosaurs. Again,speculation, but fun to do.

Other research echoes this - I do not know and I am firmlyskeptical of such claims; until I see some sort of evidence - nomatter how slight. I personally am always happy to be mistakenwhen it leads to a firmer understanding of a truth.

While the experiments and the ideas of the Nazis are fascinating,the vast majority of them did not get past the drawing board.

My mind is open on this but one never really knows until onesatisfies their personal curiosity.

I'll go into it in more depth another day but here's a bit on anatomic scientist placement from a publicly accessible link to apublicly funded national radio news piece from June 5 1947 -German Scientists Come to Canada through Operation Matchbox.Click here for the link.

A quote from the sidebar information at the link:

"Under the program name Operation Matchbox, the Alliedforces recruited top-notch German scientists at the end of theSecond World War. By October 1950, 42 German scientists had movedto Canada. The scientists were screened by a British military andcivilian panel and were given temporary migrant status for oneyear in Canada."
My question would be is why did the SS execute so many scientistswho were working on the project we only know as the Bell? Werethey afraid the scientists would fall in the hands of theSoviets, and would have preferred the United States instead? Orwas it because it was something that would have been very damningto the Nazis?

Jim Marrs does not have too much information on what the Bellwas. He did find out about the execution of the scientists, andalso finds some mysterious shipments of what could be atomicbombs. Those atomic bombs could have been the ones we used onJapan, and he makes the case for that argument quite well.

Saucer technology did not work, as it was very unstable to flyand never got over six feet off the ground.

Since the majority of the work on the Bell was done in the bunkerlike areas inside the mountain, I would speculate it did not haveanything to do with flight. The electrical energy they needed(that was fatal to a few scientists) does suggest the magnetictheory. Gravity, magnetism, and electricity may have to do witheither a new energy source, or a very powerful weapon. Since Ibelieve the Secret Weapon was the atomic bomb, then the Bell wasnot a weapon to blow things up.
Here are a few things the Bell could been:
Teleportation: moving items from one area to another. This couldbe used to move troops and supplies without worry of thetransport method being destroyed. That would also of changed thecourse of the war if possible.
Wormhole technology: Another way to teleport items and people.Also a way to see the past and a possible future. Wormholesallegedly bend time too.
Deathray: The basic death laser that could destroy a building orpossibly a city.

The above are just some of the possibilities of what thescientists could have been working on. Hopefully, some of thedocuments of what it was survived the destruction.
"Saucer technology did not work, as it was very unstable tofly and never got over six feet off the ground."

I'd be happy if it got six feet of altitude no matter howunstable - but "Die Glocke" would not appear to be a"saucer craft". However, if it was any sort of a fieldproducing device that had any mass cancellation properties of anysort it could be seen as a potential step toward accessing apropulsive force of some description even if that was not byintention of those who built the device - serendipity inresearch.

If the Sporrenberg war crimes affidavit existed then it may stillexist - dead scientists and technicians can't help but there isalways the possibility of archived documents coming to light inthe future.

For now I'll stay with the assumption stipulated earlier - thatfor the purposes of this thread "Die Glocke" existed.

The connection to Kecksburg postulated by some and points thatkidflash2008 has raised have produced a couple of useful bitsI'll add to my perspective on the Dec 9 1965 Kecksburg event. Ifit was a human manufactured derivative of the "Bell" ithad to come from somewhere on this planet. The earliest sightingsof the Kecksburg aerial phenomenon are reportedly from Canada.

kidflash2008 has raised the valid concern about the Kecksburgdevice having no known governmental agency markings like"USAF" or "DOE" adorning it and therefore (ifI understand the reasoning used correctly) could not be a projectof any known government agency. I gave that some thought andfound at least two projects of the United States of America thatwere at one time covert but in US Military control that wouldappear to have even less markings than the Kecksburg body.

The first example is from the 1970's and was a Joint USAF-DARPAproject involving low-observability and what is commonly referredto as "stealth technology". The name of that Northrupproject was "Tacit Blue". Here is a link to it's factsheet at Wright-Patterson AFB Museum site if one clicks on theavailable photos and looks one can't readily see markings of anytype on the craft. This craft was piloted by US militarypersonnel Col. Don Cornell ,Lt. Col. Russ Easter, Lt. Col. KenDyson and Maj. Dan Vanderhorst. Please click here to view thefact sheet and photos at the national museum of the US air Force.or click the following numbers to open the photos of Tacit Blue:1, 2, 3, 4. I do not see any markings, however I'm alwaysprepared to be made aware of any.

The second example is a bit humorous considering some of thediscounted theories regarding an SR-71 engine nacelle and theKecksburg event but what I'll cite as "unmarked" isfrom the same era as Kecksburg - there was the highly classifiedUSAF-Lockheed Tagboard program at one time called D-21. Someversions (perhaps all) of this UAV were unmarked by militaryservice insignia. Click here to see a large photo of the D-21.There is a video from 1966 involving a D-21 and it's SR-71derived MD-21 mother ship during a fatal accident if one searchesYouTube for "MD-21 crash" so the timeframe is close toThe Kecksburg event.

A third lesser example (it has large numbers on it) is theLockheed Sea Shadow - at one time it carried no markings ofservice insignia but it may now carry more markings - theses areexamples of unmarked covert projects paid for and manned byforces of the US military and "other" agencies andcorporations. To view the picture of the Sea Shadow to which Irefer click here.

For my own research I will choose to accept that at least somecovert US sponsored projects are unmarked.

Just the claimed glyphs around the perimeter of the base of the"acorn" or "bell" as described by Blystone,Bulebush and Rosanski are the only markings mentioned askidflash2008 has pointed out.

An aside: Bylstone has actually used the word "bell"specifically when describing it's silhouette under the tarp onthe military flatbed as it transported "something" awayfrom the site. He may have been the first to do so on video.

If one wanted to dissuade or plausibly deny the notion ofownership of the body recovered in Kecksburg what better way totake advantage than by machining some not easily decipheredsymbols into the outer surface that suggest "alien" orsome" lost tongue"?

I say machined and by that I mean "cut" into thesurface that had the glyphs displayed - as such a device as"Die Glocke" or it's potential 1960's derivative mayhave generated significant surface temperature so that paintedmarkings would not be durable. The glyphs "could" becommunication of a type perhaps that of Sumerian text or Templaror Vril code but at this time I'm inclined to lean toward theglyphs as being potentially a disinformative"red-herring" of a human manufacturer wishing anonymityfor themselves.

I also came across two USAF rocket launches in Canada on December9th 1965 that to my best knowledge were not reported in regard toKecksburg by any source so far even to eliminate them as possiblyinvolved. One rocket launch into space occurred at 3:33PM Easterntime and another was launched at 5:15PM Eastern from a site at58�44'4.20"N 93�48'56.60"W in Canada. The secondoccurs too late to be of any interest and the first doesn't helpmy research any at this time but I don't discount that someone(perhaps with an ETH angle to their research) could make use ofthis knowledge. The first one was a Nike Cajun rocket on a"Sphere Aeronomy" mission and has AFCRL listed as thesponsoring US military agency involved. It reached apogee at 86miles altitude.

One other bit was found today - Operation Matchbox brought atleast 55 German scientists and technicians to Canada (perhapsmore) which I found strange considering the US operation calledPaperclip claims over 200 were brought to the USA. This number of55 going to Canada seems comparatively high and possiblyanomalous. I will try and get some better numbers and governmentdocumented confirmation at some point. The bit I found said thefollowing:

"In March 1987, Canada's Commission of Inquiry on WarCriminals (also known as the Desch�nes Commission) recommendedthe investigation of 55 German scientists and technicians whocame to Canada as part of Operation Matchbox. The operationpresented a serious security problem in as much as thosescientists might well have been involved in the Nazi wareffort."

The Desch�nes Commission came to a conclusion with the result ofdiscouraging further investigation.

So it would seem that at least one German "radiationchemist" (a dated term) came to Canada in 1947 and otherscientists of different disciplines followed. It would also seemthat not all projects of the US military get markings identifyingthem as such. It would also seem that on the day Kecksburgoccurred US military forces launched a rocket into space fromCanada which demonstrates such activity has a history.

Where on Earth, if what was found in Kecksburg was built by thehand of man, could such a device have had as a point of origin?

The rocket launches in Canada on December 9 1967 were by the USAir Force Cambridge Research Laboratory and the particular launchapplicable to the timeframe of Kecksburg what was called a"Sphere Aeronomy" mission - interesting subject matter.Magneto-ionic coupling and triple splitting of waves and thelike.

To my surprise I projected the flight path of the Kecksburgobject along the line taken from the Joseph Farrell published"Reich of the Black Sun" on page 341 and it points tothe launch facility those two rockets came out of. There is aninteresting colonial fort there - unusual geometry when viewedfrom above.

An exact quote from Farrel:

"And finally, there is yet another odd point that mayconnect the Keckburg Acorn to the Kammler Bell. We have alreadyseen that some "Nazi survival myths" have a secretGerman base close to the Arctic, operating at a remote locationin Canada near Hudson Bay. While I discount the idea, it isperhaps worth noting that the trajectory of the Kecksburg Acornas it tracked from Canada into the US to its final crash site inPennsylvania, would, if extended north into Canada, place italong a line more or less where the "Arctic Nazi survivalmyth" places the alleged secret German base."

I'm not yet ready to accept that the trajectory on the map isaccurate and I've not yet attempted to gather and compile anysighting locations and chronology independently. There are someother potentially complicating aspects in regard to thetrajectory and certain reports don't seem to fit in a clearmanner as there were other atmospheric events at or about thetime in question. There's not much in the way of electricitysupply in the community where the rocket launch site is.

I went through the Herzburg Institute Non-Meteoric phenomenareports for the time and didn't find a thing (it could be thereunder an unlikely listing) but there are the DND, RCMP andDepartment of Transport databases to be looked at when timeallows. A first or early sighting most Northerly in Canada wouldbe helpful.

I did some searches on The Defense Research Board of Canada tosee what the Canadian Military might have been pursuing in 1967.I found many interesting projects. Here's just one:

1967 Defense Research Board of Canada, Grant number 5540-02:
Authors: S. R. Seshadri a; K. L. Bhatnagar
Guided Waves on an Infinite Cylindrical Cavity in a Magneto-ionicMedium In Circularly Symmetric Mode
Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto,Toronto 5, Canada
Published in the International Journal of Electronics Volume 22,Issue 3 March 1967 , pages 239 - 259



From a corporate website:
"Uranium deposits are found all over the world. The largestdeposits of uranium are found in Australia, Kazakhstan andCanada. High-grade deposits are only found in Canada."Source: Cameco.

I do not at this time entertain the notion the rocket launchingfacility was "the works" for "Die-Glocke"development and it's follow-on devices - I have a much betterfitting place in mind that wasn't too far from a reactor facilitywhose main product is specialty radioactive isotopes.

If the Kecksburg object was one of ours, it still would of had amarking on it to identify it if it ever crashed. Even the mostTop Secret craft would of had some types of markings, just sopeople who worked on it knew the serial numbers.

Static Displays at museums sometimes get a new coat of paint. Theserial numbers are not used anymore, so they may get paintedover. I remember working on "demilitarizing" a B-52 fora static display. All the components are removed and the plane isusually repainted. The Buffs would usually keep their jetnumbers, and also have the original art work repainted on it forhistorical purposes.

NASA tracked the Soviet satellite and shows it fell in the IndianOcean. It also would of tracked the other rocket launches byother countries. It should be in their public record.

I also was discussing this case with my mother, who is a navyveteran. She worked with classified crypto messages and knows athing or two about the military way. We both know that this caseand Roswell just do not make sense when one looks at it through amilitary point of view. With the Cold War going on in thesixties, any craft that would of been the bell would be run bythe military.

It does seem strange that I am advocating that the Kecksburgacorn is alien in origin. There are many questions aboutKecksburg that need to be answered. There are many questionsabout the Glocke, and one of the major ones is why were thescientists who worked on it executed?


I neither support the Kecksburg event as being alien or human oforigin at this time - but for the purposes of this specificthread (as stated several times) I am looking for indications toperhaps clarify that by making the arbitrary assumption;"what if it were of human origins". If you feelstrongly that is not a reasonable assumption for the purposes ofspeculation kidflash2008 then perhaps create a separate thread tothat effect - that's why I put qualifiers in what I proposed - toavoid useless and wasteful haggling with those of opinion"other" over the most minor of minutiae having no realimpact in any meaningful or positive manner. I've had enough ofthat observed behavior from my time at RMC and other sites on theNet and I do intend to enjoy myself this late in life.

Cosmos 96 - I have a Space-Track screen capture and otherephemeris data that would support the notion that Cosmos 96 wasnot involved and I may post it at some point but it just seems abit without use. A link to Space-Track Login for those who maywish to confirm. For me, Cosmos 96 is a non-starter.

the US military would be actually "running the show" ifof human origins. More on that later. Wink. I'm not disappointedthat I could not persuade you a little more effectively in regardto my position of the US military not always being "asadvertised" and 'with markings" but you do discloseyour relationship to the military so your position of dwell onthis one small aspect is understood and accepted if not agreedwith.


In regards to the markings: It is possible they may havesomething with no markings noticed up front. One would have toclosely examine the craft to find the markings. I should clarifythat you may not be wrong on this one, but I also think themilitary would want someone to call them should they lose theirequipment.

I also do not think they would test any highly classified craftor item in any other area except the desolate areas they havesuch test facilities. That is why I think the Phoenix boomerangsightings are not ours as there are many areas to test fly anaircraft, and a metropolitan area is not one of them.

I am also sure the US government and military are also trying tofigure out what the Glocke was.

I also want to thank you for doing such tireless research in oneof the more fascinating areas of research. The Nazis were fairlygood at destroying many records before anyone reached the bases.What survives are bits and pieces, and the few people willing totalk of the subjects. Remember, it is still taboo to state oneworked for the Nazi war effort. I think that dampens theknowledge and release of information until some death bedconfessions.


It would seem a potential possibility that Viktor Schauberger andthe German Third Reich's atomic scientists may have crossedpaths? Maybe; their mathematics sure would have - the goal tominimize the critical mass needed for fissionable chain-reactionwas "top shelf" stuff. Schauberger's work does hold thepromise of exposing matter to "vakuum" in more waysthan a simple lack of atmosphere. Wink. Naked neutrons.

The launch of a Nike Cajun rocket out of Churchill Manitoba justbefore the Kecksburg event at about 4:45PM December 9, 1965 wasan Auroral launch and the Sphere Aeronomy missions were to dowith magnetospheric and ionospheric observations. These December9, 1965 observations are buried in the AFCRL (Air Force CambridgeResearch Labs) archives and remain unavailable to me at thistime.

Using one of the three approximations I've found so far of theKecksburg object's terminal-phase trajectory, it would seem tooriginate on a line that passes very close to the rocket launchfacility at Churchill Manitoba. The "Polar Bear Capital ofThe World" (Churchill) offers a great security environment -all overt approaches are controlled by the terrain and limitedmeans of access and those that are not so overt are frequented bybears (when they are not in one of three Polar Bear jails).

Could "Die-Glocke" or more specifically a follow-ondevelopment 1960's device built after "Die-Glocke" haveoriginated at Churchill? Maybe; some circumstances would seemfavorable and some less-so. A straight line on a map is not allthat convincing and at some point I may have better trajectorydata to work with. A friend is trying to knit some maps togetherwith some overlays of existing "paths" to show theextrapolation of various potential flight paths from Canadianairspace into Kecksburg PA - that could take some time, and theconflicting "Ontario Meteor" data is an unwelcomecomplication that needs an accounting.

Some graphics may help others with the Churchill site and it'sfeatures, and to my personal satisfaction some seem of note withonly one "problem"; hydro-electric availability. Eventoday although Manitoba does have two of the highest voltagetransmission lines in the world (PDF link) - I can't put them"into" Churchill until 1973 at this point in myresearch. In 1965 the transmission lines into Churchill were nowhere near the 1 MV and 0.9 MV DC lines of today if anytransmission lines were present at all - I don't see any on themaps I've looked at so far. My research is not complete but itseems that in 1965 the community may have used an oil-burningelectrical-generation plant. It is a great place for ageomagnetic observatory, a deep-water port, has rail access, andat the time a US Army Military installation called Fort Churchillthat has a very heavy-duty airport runway for such a smallcommunity and as a bonus had a "not-well-known" but"not hidden" rocket launch complex. Wink.

Otherwise, Churchill lacks the technological supportinfrastructure one might associate with something like"Die-Glocke"; this is not the Lockheed "SkunkWorks" with 4500 employees there, but that is not to saythat by 1965 huge amounts of infrastructure "would"have been necessary or desirable during testing of such a devicefor that particular very remote location. But there could havebeen such resources available elsewhere.

Churchill "could" be involved with the Kecksburg eventbut my feeling is that it may have been in some support or otherancillary capacity.

Isn't the Prince of Wales' mom the Head of the House of Windsor?Isn't her husband a UFO aficionado? Wasn't his highly decorated,late, assassinated cousin also interested in UFO study? Isn'tthere an historical relationship between House Windsor andGermany? Weren't they once the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha? Arethey not of the House of Hanover lineage? LOL.

By some accounts (if not all) "Die-Glocke" had anactivation energy level that required both high-voltage andsignificant current. DC voltage can always be transformed,rectified, stepped-up and switched (amongst other permutations)but amperage is what performs the work - "Die-Glocke"may have been a "thirsty beast" in many ways.

I wonder where one might find 100,000-165,000 Amp field-alignedcurrent and a voltage in the 100MV range? Perhaps"Die-Glocke" had a potential to access those sort ofJoules? Or perhaps it "attracts" that order ofmagnitude of purely electrical "interest" from it'senvironment? Wink. A field of fields in the weathered spirals ofspace and time.

"Die-Glocke" would seem at some level about energies ofhigh enough strata to be worth the risk of pursuing - "up anotch" from nuclear and potentially much more"green" in delivery and yet, if put "not in thebest hands", could be the ultimate weapon. An accidentlooking for a place to happen? A lightning-rod for disaster? Or a"lightning-rod" of a different sort?

An exploitation of a "dark" secret of the natural orderof the universe(s) "could" be perceived as valuableenough by some to be "worth" all the security andpotential subterfuge, alleged executions, human smuggling, humanexperimentation, slave labor and expense - not to mention theextreme technical requirements.

The Kecksburg event demonstrates the sort of"interest-level" that may be involved by variousagencies and non-agencies of various governments andnon-governmental concerns as many first-hand witness testimoniessupport.

The earliest Vril-work (the first two years of testing) has myeye as the "kernel" technology on which"Die-Glocke" may have been built to expand and buildupon into other fields and effects.
"Johnson examined the orbital data for Cosmos 96 and wasable to calculate when it would have passed over Pennsylvania ifit had been in orbit that day. The time, when it traveled fromNorth to South, was at approximately 6:20 am. The Kecksburgobject came down at 4:45 p.m. “I can tell you categorically,that there is no way that any debris from Cosmos 96 could havelanded in Pennsylvania anywhere around 4:45 p.m.,” saidJohnson in an interview on October 10, 2003. “That’s anabsolute. Orbital mechanics is very strict.”

The US Space Command reported in 1991 that Cosmos 96 crashed inCanada at 3:18 a.m. Johnson does not have information about thetime of demise of Cosmos 96, but he did confirm that it was overCanada at this time.

One part of Cosmos 96 could not have stayed in orbit until 4:45p.m. after the object came apart hours earlier, as some hadspeculated."

A Link to a Czech-site that has a bit more on 1965-094A - Kosmos96. A link to the Google Translation site.
There has also been a highly classified name from the CanadianDefense that was leaked recently (I cannot remember the name, butI believe Ice was in it). Can you find out more about this? Isthere any speculation on what type of highly classified work theCanadian Defense could be doing? (Possibly related to HAARP?)
"There has also been a highly classified name from theCanadian Defense that was leaked recently (I cannot remember thename, but I believe Ice was in it). Can you find out more aboutthis? Is there any speculation on what type of highly classifiedwork the Canadian Defense could be doing? (Possibly related toHAARP?)"

I know of no on-going investigation of any enlisted-person in theCanadian military or any of recent memory in regard toinformation leaks. There was a case that effectively"closed" CFB Shelburne (it's automated now) in 1984 or1985 to do with Russians and lesbianism and some key controlstaff. Yes, the same Shelburne as mentioned in relation to ShagHarbour back in '67.

I do know of potential leaks directly attributable to theprevious Minister of Defense (Bernier) and some NATO planning andbriefing documents were in fact left unsecured for 5 weeks with avery interesting woman who is in "the securitybusiness" and whose former and now deceased spouse was a"patched" Hell's Angel. Her name is Julie Coulliard -and like so many others has "a tell-all" book. By allestimations no critical NATO-data was lost. Wink.

Very recently Canadian Forces did have an intel officer (aMajor's rank) die quite mysteriously and suddenly while in herresidence at the base in Khandahar. This unfortunate situation isstill "open" and in need of public resolution.

Yes, HAARP - you may just be onto something. Wink. Canada wouldbe ideal for monitoring it's performance especially in relationto both day-time and nocturnal Auroral interactions.

DRDC is just one place? Big smile.

You may have different data than I kidflash2008 and if you couldbe a bit more specific I'd inquire discreetly. Please PM me ifthat is your wish. Research in Canada over the years has beenlargely overlooked - especially research sponsored by othernations.

I know of no security leaks within DND that relate to theKecksburg event or "Die-Glocke", but I'm alwaysprepared to explore one.

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4.- DeepImpact’ proven Sitchin’sTheory?.................................. By Director Shafer.

On 4th July 2005 NASA celebrated American Independence Day instyle. It had sent a space-probe called Deep Impact towards arun-of-the-mill short period comet called Tempel 1. As the probeapproached, it dropped a smaller probe, about the size of awashing machine, into the path of the approaching comet. Theimpact not only created a great fireworks display for thewatching telescopes, but it also promised to give astronomers arare glimpse of the interior of a comet.
Over a month later, we are still awaiting the results of thespectrographs taken by various research groups connected with theproject. It turns out that we have some more months to wait yet.One wonders why.
Recently, the author and journalist Linda Moulton Howe publishedan interview with Dr Carey Michael Lisse, Prof. of Physics at theUniversity of Maryland, a member of the Deep Impact Science Team(18). He was about to attend the 9th International Asteroids,Comets and Meteors Conference in Brazil, and shared some of thematerial he was about to present there. He explained that thescientific work was still on-going, dependent as it was uponcalibration of spectrographic data. But preliminary results wereboth exciting, and also rather puzzling.
It turns out that Comet Tempel 1, which is composed mostly ofwater ice, contains every rock-forming element found on Earth. Italso contains carbonates, indicating rock similar to limestone.This is very odd, because limestone requires a liquid waterenvironment to form, as well as other ingredients like silicates.
How did a comet meandering slowly through the frigid outer solarsystem end up with limestone in its rocky composition? Itdoesn’t seem possible, based upon our current knowledge ofthe formation of Solar System objects.

There’s another problem emerging from the Deep Impact data.Comet Tempel 1 doesn’t seem to have iron amongst itselemental constituents. This is also very odd, because iron is acommon element in the Solar System. Now, it may turn out thatthese preliminary findings aren’t complete, and that otherdata has yet to come out to explain these oddities. But ifthere’s some truth to this information then there should besome good news for Mr Zachariah Sitchin here. Why? Because it maybe possible that this humble comet is about to prove his“12th Planet Theory”.

If limestone can’t form in a standard comet environment,then the implication is that the semi-rocky interior of Tempel 1first formed in a planetary embryo, if not part of a full-scalemajor planet. This comet would seem to have once been part ofsomething much bigger than itself. Keen-eyed readers will recalla moment ago that Professor Lisse said that all of the elementsfound in rocks on Earth are present in this comet. Is this acoincidence? What’s going on here?

Lee Covino, the New Yorker who has just edited my new book, isvery excited about the Deep Impact data (or lack of it so far).He thinks that there is something strange about this newsblackout, because this data should have been available almoststraight away. Instead, the scientists are sitting on it, andplan to release it gradually through the astronomical andastrophysical journals. That seems to run against the grain ofmedia-friendly science, where NASA catapults every shred of newsinto the media as soon as it’s available. One would havethought that Deep Impact was a media-friendly piece of sciencethat would command world attention. So why the caution beingdisplayed by NASA scientists on this occasion? Is there somethingabout this data which is making them uncomfortable?


Well, what if Comet Tempel 1 is basically a big chunk of wateryEarth rock? What if the composition of its elements and isotopesmatches that of our own planet? How on Earth could the scientistsexplain that one? Comet Tempel 1 is a standard short range comet,implying that its composition may be shared by other comets. Theycan’t all be icy rocks originally from Earth, can they?



They could if Sitchin is correct. If Earth’s primordialprecursor was a larger, watery version of our world, and wasstruck by a massive planetary object, then chunks of that earlyEarth could have been sent spinning through the Solar System.Earth itself then migrated inwards, as we have discussed above.Not only that, but such a theory would explain the lack of ironon Comet Tempel 1. The iron making up the Earth tends to sink tothe core, meaning that a surface strike would have sent adisproportionate quantity of iron-poor rocks into space. Hence,the resultant comets would have no iron. But they would haveplenty of water ice, as this comet shows.



If the isotopic ratio of the water blasted out of Tempel 1 byDeep Impact is the same as Earth, then Zachariah Sitchin willhave good reason to host his own fireworks party. The data willprove that these comets resulted from a massive planetary strikeon Earth early in the history of the Solar System.



Some commentators are deeply suspicious of the way the DeepImpact data is being handled. Richard Hoagland pulls no punchesin his assessment of the situation. He has shown that the claimeddifficulties of obtaining spectra, cited by Dr Lisse, arecontradicted by early press releases by the Deep Impact team(19). These seemed to indicate that everything went really welljust after the impact event, and that great spectra weredutifully obtained by the scientific teams involved in theproject. That’s not what Dr Lisse now says, though. Heclaims that the mother craft’s instruments were notcorrectly aligned. It’s not yet clear how such a discrepancycould be accounted for, or how much reliable data will beforthcoming publicly over the coming months. Richard Hoaglandsmells a rat, and I can certainly see the motive behind it if heturns out to be right.



More details have emerged in September about some of the unusualcompounds found within Tempel 1:



“There are also surprise ingredients, such as clay andchemicals in seashells called carbonates. These compounds wereunexpected because they are thought to require liquid water toform. “How did clay and carbonates form in frozencomets?” asked Lisse. “We don’t know, but theirpresence may imply that the primordial solar system wasthoroughly mixed together, allowing material formed near the Sunwhere water is liquid, and frozen material from out by Uranus andNeptune, to be included in the same body.”



Also found were chemicals never seen before in comets, such asiron-bearing compounds and aromatic hydrocarbons, found inbarbecue pits and automobile exhaust on Earth. The silicatesspotted by Spitzer are crystallized grains even smaller thansand, like crushed gems. One of these silicates is a mineralcalled olivine, found on the glimmering shores of Hawaii’sGreen Sands Beach.” (20)



Either all of the terrestrial bodies in the solar system havesimilar chemical constituents and compounds present, or Tempel 1does indeed sound like a chip of the old block; Earth! Scientistsworking on the project wonder whether Tempel 1 is trulyrepresentative of typical solar system comets, however (21).Indeed, they go further, suggesting that there may be no suchthing as a ‘typical’ comet at all. Tempel 1, whichoriginate in the Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt, does not share similarcharacteristics with other comets which are from the samevicinity. Perhaps this suggests that the physical environment inthe distant Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt was once more complex thanpreviously thought, which would be an interesting revelation initself.



This comet may be provoking more questions than providinganswers.
If Sitchen could be right about this, he could be right aboutother things…

If someone can believe in God, a supernatural being, that noonealive has seen, why is it so hard to except Sitchin’stheory? On one hand you have a supernatural being and on theother you have an actual physical being or beings? Which is moreeasy to believe?

Sitchin’s theory more unbelieveable than a being no one hasever laid eyes on whereas there seems to be substance to thethoughts Sitchin provokes regarding our Earth’s pasthistory. He seems to have a better grasp of how our ancestors hadthe expansive knowledge they did than a cryptic book filled withvisions and omnipotent invisible beings.

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5.- Creationism being taught inschools........................... By Natalicio Infante.

While I too prefer economic conservatism, and the govt keepingout of
social issues, I'll put up with some social"conservatism".

Social conservatism, the next best thing to ancestor worship.
Seriously, if we didn't have all those social rules that social
conservatives break as often as social liberals, then where wouldwe
be as a society?
another deranged right wing fanatic put up and elected by the
christianists in the US. there's no limit to the curren insanity
of
america's right. this woman once said she'd stop everyone in the
US
from having sex, including masturbating.

The USA outlaws all forms of lewdness and smut.
No more anything from porno mags to bikini beaches.
Bring back prohibition of alchohol as well. And ban
those ciggs. And give even more money to the "war
on drugs." Then I'll buy some dilapidated old farm
house about 100 meters north of the USA/Canada
border, some place in Manitoba, and set up my Emporium.
I'll sell porn in paper, vids, and digital. I'll sell booze.
I'll sell ciggs. I'll have gambling. I'll sell all the stuff that
the USA has gone schizo about. And every single one
of them will be legal in Canada. I'll make MILLIONS!

This has appeared in several creationist sources:
Darwinism is "a theory that has been put to the test
and found false".

Here's a typical example of the quote
mine:http://www.icr.org/article/more-anti-darwinian-scientists-exerpted-fr...

This comes from
G. Nelson and N. Platnick. 1984. Systematics and
evolution. Pages
143-158 in M.-W. Ho and P. T. Saunders (eds.), Beyond
Neo-Darwinism.
Academic Press, London.
Here's the full sentence, much less of a quality
sound bite: "We believe
that Darwinism has an identity within the area of
biological
systematics, that it has a history within that
discipline, that it is,
in short, a theory that has been put to the test and
found false."
You can see why the quote is truncated, because the
full sentence
reveals that the import of the sentence is
incomprehensible without
reading much more of the article. Most importantly,
the full sentence
shows that Nelson & Platnick are referring to a
special and restricted
meaning of "Darwinism", as it applies to systematics.
The next paragraph
explains the context: "Systematic literature abounds
in arguments about
the meaning and significance of two key concepts:
paraphyletic group and
center of origin. If our discussion contains anything
novel it is partly
the perception that these two concepts characterize a
Darwinian theory
of systematics; it is partly in the perception that
this theory has been
falsified; and it is partly in the perception of what
has been achieved
in the process." In other words, the "Darwinism"that
Nelson & Platnick
think has been falsifying has absolutely nothing to
do with either
natural selection or common descent. It concerns
instead the ideas that
paraphyletic groups should be considered real
entities, and that taxa
generally originate in small geographic regions.
Needless to say,
creationists (and anyone else except a few
specialists) would be
unlikely to care about these aspects of "Darwinism",
and certainly
indifferent about whether they had been falsified.
The quote gains all
its utility from a misunderstanding of just what
Nelson & Platnick meant
by "Darwinism" in that sentence.
Nelson & Platnick were probably being deliberately
sensational when they
wrote the quoted sentence, enough so that they felt
obliged to offer a
corrective later on in the chapter: "In this
connection, we do not imply
that developments within systematics falsify the
theory of evolution as
that word is normally understood -- the appearance of
life in all its
diversity through historical process of long
duration. Rather the data
of systematics are a massive corroboration of
evolution in that sense,
which is distinct from any notion of theory properly
termed Darwinian."
Thanks to John Wilkins for sending me a PDF of the
book chapter.


The paragraph beginning: "I have left till last ..."
Obviously, according to Wilkins, Dawkins is lying here. I
have to
suspect, given the identical ellipses, that Dawkins
somehow got this
from a creationist source. There's a lesson for us all
not to jump to
conclusions: read the entire piece and then try to
understand what the
authors meant. It really isn't all that difficult.
So the Biblical authors really meant that God did not know
where Adam
was hiding?
As is your habit, you precede a non sequitur with a word
suggesting that
it follows logically from the preceding. Which it never
does. And yes,
they did.
"There's a lesson for us all not to jump to conclusions:
read the
entire piece and then try to understand what the authors
meant. It
really isn't all that difficult" (John Harshman).
By saying the Genesis author was saying that God omnipotent
did not
know where Adam was hiding is ridiculous, John.
The bible is a compilation of a great many stories written by
a great
many authors. Genesis itself is such a compilation, and even
the
creation story was assembled from multiple sources. For that
reason,
reading "the entire piece" in this case doesn't meanreading
all the
bible and trying to reconcile everything it says. The main
relevant
portion is the creation story itself. And the God of that
story is by no
means omnipotent or omniscient. He makes mistakes, regrets
things,
nearly panics, and really doesn't know where Adam is. But
that isn't the
silliest thing he does. The silliest is when, finding that
Adam is
lonely, he creates all sorts of animals and parades them past
the man to
see if they are suitable companions. I, not being blinded by
a delusion
of the book's crystalline perfection, am able to read it for
comprehension where you apparently can't.
Defense of an egregious double standard. Like I have always
said in
this context: remembering that you are an Atheist-Evolutionist
explains everything rather instantly.
Rather, it's a way of avoiding the necessity of explanation.
I'm wrong
because I'm an atheist-evolutionist, therefore you don't have
to present
any argument against what I actually say.
God is well established to be omnipotent by Genesis 3.
Read Genesis 1:1 and the remainder of the chapter as well as all
of
chapter 2. The context of chapter 3 is chapters 1 and 2.
I find nothing about omnipotence in any of those places. Perhaps
you
will present your reasoning.
Creation of heaven, earth, stars, the biosphere and its
inhabitants
(Genesis 1 & 2) does not assume and support omnipotence?
No. Great power, certainly, but not omnipotence. I will agreethat
the
God of Genesis 1 appears to be more powerful than the God in
Genesis 2,
though. The first speaks things into being, while the second is
more
like a potter or sorcerer. The second one makes Adam out of dust,
and
Eve out of a rib, while the first just says "Let there beX" and
there
is X. These are two different stories (at least), with two
different
views of God. And the God of the second story (who is also theGod
of
Noah) is fully capable of being deceived, changing his mind, and
being
unable to find someone who is hiding.
If you believe that the KJV is an inerrant translation, you could
try
Genesis 17:1, where "God almighty" introduces himself,.If you
don't,
you get into the debate about the translation of "ElShaddai" My
favourite theory is Lutzky's, not because it is correct (it most
certainly isn't) but because of the implications it would have ifit
were. according to her, it should read as "big boobs"and slipped
through the editing process when other references to his previous
job
as a fertility Godess were purged.
Not so sure about your counterexample. There is the obviousreading
as a rhetorical device did your mother say "where are you,young
man"
when you were a) in trouble and b) she new perfectly well wereyou
were, but wanted to give you the chance to hand yourself in
happened
to me a lot) .
That's the preferred reading among fundamentalists. But the text
itself
implies nothing of the sort.

Well, I'd say the text does not give sufficient data todiscriminate
between the two readings. But I don't find one lessintuitive/more
interpretative than the other

Then there is the reading of "are you with me or
against me"? And finally, an omnipotent being can of coursechose
not
to use his power in a given situation. That is an interpretationof
omniscience in particular, though a somewhat recent one(strangely,
just when we became aware of privacy as a value) - omniscience in
this
case is deemed "inherent omniscience" - could find outeverything
but
often chooses not to, to give us some privacy - bit like the
government
You can introduce anything to the text that you like, andinterpret
anything as really meaning something other than what it says.

I think backspace has a bad influence on you

Read the story. God is walking in the Garden. (Walking?) He asksAdam
where he is. When he see's Adam wearing the fig leaf, he figuresout
(not having known before) that he's eaten the forbidden fruit. Hehas to
ask how it happened. And then he gets mad. And has to take action
immediately to prevent Adam from eating the fruit of the tree oflife,
because he apparently hadn't foreseen any of this. It isn't justthe one
line that tells us this God isn't omnipotent. (I could also pointout
the previous part of the story, in which God is confused aboutwhat
would make a good companion for the man.)


Thank you for your message. Although the first part of
the quoted
statement below deals with Darwinism in biological
systematics, the
language of the final clause addresses the theory in
general rather
than a specific or narrow application of that theory.
Had the authors
meant to convey that only one aspect of the theory had
been proven
false, they would have used language sufficient to
communicate this.
And in fact they did, as I quoted above. ICR is wrong. I
won't say
they're lying, because they probably aren't capable of
reading closely
enough to understand the chapter.
If I understand correctly (and I strongly suspect I do
not) Ray, Glenn
and ICR are not the only ones who are confused by this
quote. Take a

SOME*INSANITY* CUT

Exactly, the Vedas, the Gita, the Quran, the Bible and all thatwas
provided, were as an aid to follow, as human did not know many atimes
what was necessary to be done when there were dilemma in oneslife
about which path to follow.

Bullshit. Humans had been doing just fine for hundreds of
thousands of years before they wrote down their mythology and
superstition.

They can *ONLY* be applied illogically.

God don't rest in mine; they don't rest in yours.

and our heart always pinches when we try to commit wrong

Then why are religious people much more evil than atheists?

just that our brain takes over many times and we
follow our selfish act.
Those who understand the theory tend to find that it has great
explanatory power... this shouldn't occur with a senseless
theory.-
No one but you considers copulation to be a mechanism in the
sense you imply, and as has been explained to you several
times (all of which you ignored), differential reproductive
success applies to every living thing, sexual or asexual,
multicellular or single-celled.

Again, atheism has no connection to evolution, so your entirearguement
is
wrong. Evolution is an observed fact, the theory of evolutionexplains
our
current understanding of how evolution works, and is supported by
reality,
unlike your delusions.

Re: fractions as opposed to decimal conversions- it was made
abundantly clear to me that I would never, ever get the hang of
trigonometry if I did not understand the fractions involved. A
calculator does just not do trig justice (I am speaking of the
calculators when I took trig, of course- back when you scribed
things
on clay tablets.)

Yes, that's exactly the problem----there's a different kind of
tablet
today (and that's not a metaphor anymore, right?), and as thekids
to
whom we are trying to teach paleolithic skills would say:
"Trigonometry? There's an app for that!"

A couple of things have happened to me recently that allow me toflesh
out the argument that we had a couple of months ago.

1. Our department is working on required assessment of our
programs,
which leads to quite a lot of introspection.
2. This Summer, I watched a documentary on a ‘lightning
calculator’.
They did MRI scans on his brain, and discovered that hiscalculations
were distributed, where they were in isolated sections of a‘normal’
brain.
These led me to think about what we try to do in the mathcurriculum,
K-12 and college.

Our goal is to have students trained:
1. In the basic tools – arithmetic, algebra, calculus,
differential
equations, analysis and numerical computation.
2. To be able to extract mathematical questions from text and
experimental results.
3. To model and analyze those models.
4. To make inferences from those models.

For decades, US math education focused on the rote material, then
drastically changed to the ‘real’ world modeling.Neither worked, for
the reason that a complete knowledge requires all of the thingsthat I
described above, which use different parts of the brain, andthese
have to be integrated, rather than compartmentalized.

We need the speech parts of the brain to read and extractinformation,
the logic center for analysis, the symbolic center for symbol
manipulation, the spatial center for things like geometry andvector
analysis, and so on.

Trying to avoid using certain parts, by say not teachingfractions,
ultimately leads to an inferior result. For your simple example,
manipulating fractions leads to being able to deal with algebraic
fractions, and these skills are needed for inverse Laplace andFourier
transforms.

As a simplistic analogy, why do runners work on upper bodystrength?

Tim, I could go through and point out how you haven't really madea
case here, although your 1-4 list is well presented. However, wekeep
getting stuck on the basic strawman problem: I have neversuggested
'not teaching fractions', or any of the other things you think Ihave
suggested not teaching! I want to teach *more* fractions, andmore
about them, so that there is *more* integration of the verbal,visual
and symbolic components of problem solving, starting as early asthe
developmental psych people think is appropriate.

As I point out in Ron's scenario, my approach does not removeanything
but the operation of multiplying numbers together, and adds
appreciably to the possibility of reducing the student'sconfusion
about 'what she is really doing' or 'what the fractions reallymean'
and so on.


The Werner von Braun Prize for Interesting Uses of a Cyclotron
The Tribe of Dan Award for Advances in Biblical Etymology
The Genesis Prize for Longest Biblical Verse in a ScienceNewsgroup
The EMF Spectrum Commendation for Outstanding Work on Sound Waves
The NASA Creationist Scientist Award, sponsored by the Wiring a
Minuteman Committee
And of course, The Suzanne Lifetime Award for Best Attempt AtMaking Science Fit The
Bible
That last should be the Hugh Ross award. Suzanne's not in hisclass.
There is a clown on alt.global-warming who accidently posted a
link to a survey of scientists that, when the survey is read,
shows the exact opposite of what he hoped it said. (Specifically
that the scientific consensus is overwhelming that global warming
has happenedand is happening, and that humans have caused and are
causing it). He thought it said the opposite.
Much like Creationist behavior.
than most protestants and roman catholics according to a newsurvey

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39392563/ns/us_news/

A new survey of Americans' knowledge of religion found thatatheists,
agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman
Catholics in answering questions about major religions, whilemany
respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets oftheir
own faiths.
Forty-five percent of Roman Catholics who participated in thestudy
didn't know that, according to church teaching, the bread andwine
used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the bodyand
blood of Christ.
More than half of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther asthe
person who inspired the Protestant Reformation. And about four in10
Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the greatest rabbis and
intellectuals in history, was Jewish.
Respondents to the survey were asked 32 questions with a range of
difficulty, including whether they could name the Islamic holybook
and the first book of the Bible, or say what century the Mormon
religion was founded. On average, participants in the surveyanswered
correctly overall for half of the survey questions.
Atheists and agnostics scored highest, with an average of 21correct
answers, while Jews and Mormons followed with about 20 accurate
responses. Protestants overall averaged 16 correct answers, while
Catholics followed with a score of about 15.
The study also found that many Americans don't understand
constitutional restrictions on religion in public schools. Whilea
majority know that public school teachers cannot lead classes in
prayer
"Cannot?" Of course they can: there is nothing stoppingthem. And
in many public schools in the USA, teachers are leading their
classes in prayer.
less than a quarter know that the U.S. Supreme Court has
clearly stated that teachers can read from the Bible as anexample of
literature.

There is an opinion that science deals only with observable
universe. Then we have problem because modern physics
comes to situation when it meets unobservable world as
on the very small scales as on very big scales:
we cannot see quarks, virtual particles, gravitons
we cannot see dark energy- it is negative,
we cannot see dark mass- it neither emits nor reflects,
em waves- electron exist, but magneton- doesn’t: why?
Electron meets vacuum and we lost it- what is it destiny?
Some theories offer new spaces and particles which
no one can visualize.
Etc
I think what you are addressing is called "theoreticalphysics".

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The Chang'e-2 orbiter blasted off from a remote corner of thesouthwestern province of Sichuan on Friday morning, according tostate media.

The probe is expected to fly as close as 9.3 miles above the moonand take high-resolution photos of the Bay of Rainbows.

China is jostling with neighbours Japan and India for a biggerpresence in outer space but its plans have faced internationalscrutiny.

Fears of a space arms race with the United States and otherpowers have mounted since China blew up one of its own weathersatellites with a ground-based missile in January 2007.
Fears from who? Don't make me laugh! U.S. must had blowedsatellites since day 1, so please give me a break! U.S. is themajor bellicose country in the world, and has proof to show allaround the globe. China, at the other hand, has more dollars thanU.S. could print! So what's the "fears? The day Chinaattacks it will be attacking his own purse! Secondly, China hasnever goes overseas to attack any country, instead than theAllies had gone almost to the moon to blast the ones that couldovershadowed them, so it's China that must be trembling as U.S.is loosing ground just because they spent more than they had.
Open your eyes. And I'm not a communist.

The Chang'e is named after a mythical Chinese goddess who flew tothe moon.

A successful Chang'e-2 mission would mark another advance inChina's plan to establish itself as a space power in the sameleague as the United States and Russia.

China launched its first moon orbiter, the Chang'e-1, in October2007, accompanied by a blaze of patriotic propaganda celebratingthe country's technological prowess.



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Encounters with Aliens on this Day
December 2
1896 - On this day in 1896 an airship descended from the sky 15miles north of Pacific Grove, California and landed on thePacific Ocean. Three human occupants aboard guided it to shoreand then hid it in the woods, according to the two witnesses.(Sources: San Francisco Call, December 3, 1896; Philip Rife, ItDidn't Start with Roswell, p. 31; Jerome Clark, The Unidentified,p. 141).

1950 - A pearl white, spinning, glowing disc-shaped objectclosely paced a jeep along a road in Nanyuki, Kenya at 10:45 a.m.It reportedly made a buzzing noise like bees. This case is listedas a Project Blue Book "unknown." (Source: Project BlueBook files counted in official statistics, case 845).

1950 - At around 9:00 p.m. a brilliant UFO maneuvered overEllenton, South Carolina for ten minutes, the future site of theSavannah River hydrogen bomb production facility, not yetconstructed. (Source: Loren E. Gross, UFOs: A History - 1950(volume 3), p. 62).
1956 - At 9:45 p.m. a luminous ovoid object maneuvered in thesky, descended, and then ascended to a somewhat higher altitudein Forest Lake, Minnesota. The witness, Mr. Moffett, chased it inhis car. The UFO flew to the east slowly, then turned toward thesouth and flew away. (Source: Leonard H. Stringfield, CRIFOOrbit, March 1957, p. 2).
1962 - A bright, light-bulb shaped object flew in toward theeast, then angled off toward the north before it"arched" its way into a lake. It was seen by residentsof twelve cities between Akron, Ohio and Syracuse, New York.(Source: Ivan T. Sanderson, Invisible Residents, p. 226, citingthe Conneaut News Herald).
1967 - At 9:30 p.m. a bullet or cone-shaped UFO hovered for twohours over the Baneasa airfield in the Bucuresti province ofRomania. It then flew off to the north. There were many highquality military observers. (Source: Ion Hobana and JulienWeberbergh, UFOs from Behind the Iron Curtain, p. 176).
1973 - A luminous disc-shaped object maneuvered over the city ofBrussels, Belgium shortly after midnight, flashing and glowing.It then faded in intensity to a bright star. It stayed visiblefor 75 minutes. (Source: FSR, July 1974, p. 32).
1973 - A box-shaped object approximately 8 feet in diameter wassighted by some fishermen in Carteret, Normandy, France at 5:30in the morning. It directed a beam of light upon their fishingnets. (Source: Roland Godefroy, Phenomenes Spatiaux, December1973, p. 19).
1973 - At 6:35 p.m. several city residents of Philadelphia,Pennsylvania watched a UFO over the Linden Avenue are of thecity, including some who viewed it through binoculars. It lookedlike an acorn, with a green bottom. It was blinking slowly andwas surrounded by a gray mist or haze. (Sources: PhiladelphiaEvening Bulletin, December 3, 1973; J. Bernard Delair, UFORegister, volume 5 (1974), case #1090; Matthew Graeber, Fate, May2002, p. 27).

1973 - At 7 p.m. a strange, robot-like creature about four feettall, with large round glowing eyes 18 inches wide, was seen inKorning Wood, Quebec, Canada at a distance of about 200 feet fromthe house of the witness. It possessed a large round head, longarms, and a bright red glow that emanated from behind its head.It disappeared behind the observer's house. (Source: Albert S.Rosales, Humanoid Contact Database 1973, citing Marc Leduc,CASUFO).
1973 - A 150 foot wide disc hovered in front of the car of a Mr.& Mrs. Gerard while driving on the interstate highway nearWilsonville, Oregon this evening. The object spun in a circularmotion, and traveled up the I-5 freeway. It had circularportholes two to three feet deep, one inverted C-shaped area withno lights, and a blue light on top. It went behind a hill and wasgone from view. (Source: J. Bernard Delair, UFO Register, volume5 (1974), case #1174).

1974 - Stephen Jenkins of Croydon, Greater London, England wokeup at 3 a.m. to hear clearly audible footsteps on the stairs. Twobeings appeared on the landing. Their body texture was"something like closely compressed pulpy leaves." Theirfaces were reddish, with yellow eyes with hard black pupils.Around them was a translucent, faintly luminous "box likestructure." In a moment they were gone. (Source: David F.Webb & Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports,case 1974-73, citing Stephen Jenkins, The Undiscovered Country).
1974 - Driving home near Frederick, Wisconsin at 10:30 p.m.William Bosak, a 69-year-old farmer, noticed something parked onthe opposite side of the road ahead. Slowing down to look, hisheadlights illuminated an object with a curved, transparentfront, behind which could be seen a figure visible from the waistup, with arms upraised over his head, as if in terror. The figureseemed to be a little taller than a tall man, and had a squareface with hair "sticking straight out from the sides."It had long, narrow ears that stuck straight out, brown furryarms, and a hairy torso. The eyes were large and protruding.Frightened, Mr. Bosak sped up past the object, which wassurrounded by a kind of fog. As he passed, the car"darkened, as if in shadow," or his headlights dimmed,and the witness heard a soft whooshing sound. No ground traceswere found at the site the following day. (Sources: David F. Webb& Ted Bloecher, HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports, case1974-58, citing Dewey Berscheid, Edward E. Lightner, and JeromeClark; Mark Rodeghier, UFO Reports Involving VehicleInterference, case 375; APRO Bulletin, February, 1975).
Written by Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D. (Revised 15 November 2005).
Compiled from the UFOCAT database.
Themes: buzzing sound, discs, fog surrounding UFO, hovering UFOs,luminous UFOs, nautical UFOs, nuclear facility, red-facedhumanoids surrounded by translucent box, short robot-likehumanoid, tall hairy humanoid, whooshing sound.
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